Priced like the old business, running like a new one: management is redirecting the call away from the metric investors
The model's full reasoning — Q1 2022 call → NOWe need to determine if management repeatedly redirects attention away from the conventional yardstick and toward a different part of the business that is already earning today, and indicates that the record has not caught up. Let's analyze the transcript. The company is Sea Limited, with businesses: Shopee (e-commerce), Garena (digital entertainment), SeaMoney (digital financial services). The conventional yardstick for Sea is likely overall revenue growth, or perhaps the e-commerce segment's growth and profitability, or maybe the gaming segment's bookings. But the question asks: does management redirect attention away from the measure or storyline by which the company is conventionally judged and toward a different part of the business that is already earning today? And does management indicate that this different part is not yet what the reported results or outside understanding reflect? We need to see if management sets aside the conventional yardstick, points to a different part that is already earning, and says the record hasn't caught up. Let's read the call. Forrest starts: "we have made a strong start to 2022. We recorded solid results across our business... despite challenging comparisons... we are well on track to achieve our previously shared projections of profitability in our Asia markets, while continuing to scale our businesses and capture market share globally." Then he discusses Shopee, SeaMoney, Garena. He talks about Shopee's adjusted EBITDA loss per order improving, and expects positive adjusted EBITDA after HQ cost by end of next year. SeaMoney's adjusted EBITDA loss narrowed, and GAAP revenue grew close to 350%. He says "This is also a strong indication of SeaMoney being on track to achieve positive cash flow as we previously projected, while at the same time continuing to scale rapidly with efficiency." Then he says "With the significant scale, strong leadership and clear synergies achieved by Shopee and SeaMoney in Southeast Asia and Taiwan, our consumer Internet ecosystem in the region is naturally approaching a stage of long-term profitable growth." Then he discusses Garena headwinds. He then goes into each business. For Shopee, he talks about revenue, orders, GMV, monetization, unit economics. For Garena, he talks about user base softening, but Free Fire still popular.
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|---|---|---|---|---|
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